So a bow released as a proto, to some fanboys, is the greatest thing since mashed potatoes. No disrespect to any of the aforementioned, as they all hold my respect, but up to 80 yards, I will put up my 2 old school Scorpyds against the barrelled bows. With the the arrows I use, the tried and true platform shoots as well or better than all the pics of the already legendary X1, yet it is yet to be in the hands of the average real world shooter such as myself. 8 gens of cams, also do not trip my trigger, as truth be told, my Velocity with the gen3 shoots, better than anyone we have at the range, as we are all just average "Joe's" who hunt, and shoot for fun. Ok wouldn't pretend to be a bmiller, but at our range, sub 1.5" at 80 yds gets the oohs and ahhs, and I don't need the barrel to do it.

 

Should be made into a sticky in the Scorpyd forum. Great job Vent!
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Vent just published the a critical set of information with pictures that absolutely should have been made available or published by the manufacturer.
Great job filling the information gap!!!!

 

Very informative post and nice collection you have there! Those Gen 7's are built like a tank!

 

This is also a good place to check the timing of your cams by comparing them to the photos in this post. Especially for the Nemesis.

 

Vent,.....For the benefit of those of us who really appreciate your Scorpyd expertise & knowledge, Thanks Much!! There are very few people who I’d consider a Scorpyd Expert. Certainly Jim, Rex & Dorge come to mind but you are right there with them as well!

 

Here is the main differences in the Gen-4 and Gen-5 cams.
There are also slight cam lobe profile changes in the Gen-4 cams. I will add pics of Gen-4a, Gen-4b, and Gen-4c cam lobes.

Stacked the pics so they both fit in one frame. That way you don't have to scroll back and forth to see the differences. Look to the immediate LEFT of the numbers for comparison. You may have to click and expand.
Right side cams.
1. Cam profile, string groove.
2. Cam lobe reinforced, full thickness, radiused corners, chamfered edges.
3. Spoke, material added.
4. Less material removed, so that little crescent is gone. See pics of bottoms of cams.
5. Large chamfer added to the inside perimeter of the cam.

Bottoms of Gen-4c, and Gen-5 cams. Left side cams.

Differences in a Gen-4a, Gen-4b and Gen-4c cam. Left side, bottom.

 

I thought I went over it, but come back and found something I missed. The Gen 1 cam was also on the 2010 RDT 80, 100, 125.

- Gen 1:
2009-10 RDT 80, 100, 125 Split limb


There may also be some anomalies out there from warranty work where newer cams were substituted after that model was no longer in production. Also at the beginning or the end of some model year production runs.

At one time, you could send in your RDT 80, 100, 125, and have it upgraded to the newer cams like a Telson. so, some of those will have Gen 2 or Gen 3 cams on them. I remember a few of them doing that on this forum.

 

Thanks Vent ! This clears it all up for me.
Like you said, my DS 380 had the gen 5 cams until I had warranty work done on it and it came back with gen 6 cams on it and seemed to perform better but that could've been my imagination also. I don't own a chronograph so it's only a guess. The arrows were hitting a little higher though.

 

Thanks Vent! Your information pertaining to Scorpyd Crossbows is invaluable.

 

First off, I don't owe you anything. Where the hell do you get off demanding anything from me? I'm only answering this for the rest of the membership.

If you were paying attention, they were trying to make a cam for the Orion 175 Extreme work well the ACUdraw. Gen 4a was fine in the Non-ACUdraw bows, as was Gen 4b. Gen 4c was what they felt they needed for the Orion 175 Extreme with the ACUdraw.

The title says "Scorpyd Production Cams". If they were mentioned by me in my thread, then that means they were all 3 used in production. And yes I know exactly what the differences are, but no sense in confusing anyone since they all use the same exact string and cables.


Here is a pic of Gen 4a cam lobe.

Gen 4b cam lobe.

Here is a pic of a Gen 4c cam lobe. Also note the beefed up web behind the lobe profile.

If you'll notice Gen 5, 6, & 7 all have the same cam lobe profile runout as the Gen 4c. Not a coincidence! All have been ACUdraw friendly.

If you weren't so damn combative in my threads, I might be willing to share more. BUT!!!!!


I could post a pic of a Gen 4b later, if you can get your #1 Sycophant to go away.

This is why I rarely post any new threads, because sure as the world, someone will come and ruin it for the rest. They don't have any substance to add, just a whole lot of drama and BS.

 

First off, I don't owe you anything. Where the hell do you get off demanding anything from me? I'm only answering this for the rest of the membership.

If you were paying attention, they were trying to make a cam for the Orion 175 Extreme work well the ACUdraw. Gen 4a was fine in the Non-ACUdraw bows, as was Gen 4b. Gen 4c was what they felt they needed for the Orion 175 Extreme with the ACUdraw.

The title says "Scorpyd Production Cams". If they were mentioned by me in my thread, then that means they were all 3 used in production. And yes I know exactly what the differences are, but no sense in confusing anyone since they all use the same exact string and cables.


Here is a pic of Gen 4a cam lobe. Also note the beefed up web behind the lobe profile.
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Here is a pic of a Gen 4c cam lobe.
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If you'll notice Gen 5, 6, & 7 all have the same cam lobe profile runout as the Gen 4c. Not a coincidence! All have been ACUdraw friendly.

If you weren't so damn combative in my threads, I might be willing to share more. BUT!!!!!


I could post a pic of a Gen 4b later, if you can get your #1 Sycophant to go away.

This is why I rarely post any new threads, because sure as the world, someone will come and ruin it for the rest. They don't have any substance to add, just a whole lot of drama and BS.

Thanks !!!!
This was the info i was seeking when i asked the question !!
Now every one wins valuable info from that question .
Win Win !!!!!

By the way it is a free public forum , i can't tell people what to say or not say .
I can only control my own actions .

 

Might as well add the Gen-8 and Gen-9 cams to this thread. These cams are bow specific, both in ATA and Power Stroke. You want the string in the groove along the straight section of the cam while cocked. These were the best pics I could find on this site right now.


Gen-8
2021-23 Deathstalker LT

Gen-9
2021-22 Tremor

 

Would that apply to all Scorpyd cams or just Gen 8 & 9?

Might as well add the Gen-8 and Gen-9 cams to this thread. These cams are bow specific, both in ATA and Power Stroke. You want the string in the groove along the straight section of the cam while cocked. These were the best pics I could find on this site right now.


Gen-8
2021 Deathstalker LT
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Gen-9
2021 Tremor
View attachment 207380

 

Pretty neat info. I may not know my wife that well!

 

I'm all into it ! I love it ! I was like that with Corvettes while I was younger and growing up. My uncle had one and my Dad had one so I learned all about them. Now it's Scorpyd I want to get to know all about.

 

Read the title of the thread. The question was answered, before it was asked!

 

Technically there are Gen 4a, 4b, and 4c "Extreme" cams for the 2015 model year. Extremely minor engineering changes to the cam lobe on the underside of the cams. We'll just call them Gen 4's!

which ones found there way onto production bow's 4a 4b or 4c ?

I’m not a rocket scientist but common sense might dictate the earlier 2015 Extreme bows may have started with 4a, then some may have been made with 4b cams, and the remainder of that model year were with the final 4c version. It’s also possible very few or even none were built with either the 4a or 4b cams, but I would think the 4c is the only one they were using at the end.

Most likely only Scorpyd would know how many were built with each version - IF they even kept that type of info.
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Now this is how you answer a question !! even if just guessing or basing it off common sense !!!!
There must be a reason for 3 versions off the gen 4 cam .
Not !!!!
Read the title of the thread. The question was answered, before it was asked!

 

I edited that second sentence above 4a, it should have been above 4c as follows.


Here is a pic of Gen 4a cam lobe.

Gen 4b cam lobe.

Here is a pic of a Gen 4c cam lobe. Also note the beefed up web behind the lobe profile.

Here is a Gen 3 cam lobe on the left compared to the Gen 4a cam lobe on the right, and why they used it on the ACUdraw Extremes. Limited to the Orion 160 Extreme until Gen 4c.
Gen 3. Gen 4a.

 

Yes Gen 7

 

TP, I believe the problem is with the riser. The original 380 riser is not built to withstand the force provided by the 420 limbs or shorter strings and cables.

Gordon Glass (PolyOne) are solid limbs. Barnsdale are laminates.

 

With the arrival of the Tremor and the new let-off cam, it appears we officially have the Gen 8 cam...

 

I wondered

 

I am referring to the pics posted of deathstalker LT and tremor and the cams look identical.
I must have been thinking gen 8 when i wrote about let off and put 80%. I believe it was understood my intention was the same cam on both bows.

 

I did not see any Orion 150lb listed. Was this an oversight? Reason I ask, is there are two listed on ebay; one as Orion 150 and the other as Orion Extreme, with 150lb in specs. First looks gen 3 cam, 2nd, gen 5 cams. It's also likely the listers have them listed wrong.

 

In Post #1, under Gen-3 cams it has 2014 Orion 100, 125 and 150.

- Gen 3:
2012-14 Ventilator 80, 100, 125, 150
2012-13 Telson 90, 110, 130
2013-14 Velocity 100, 125, 150, 165
2014 VTEC 100, 125, 150, 165
2014 Orion 100, 125, 150
2015-16 Orion Extreme 110, 135,160 (ACUdraw)
2015-16 VTEC Extreme ACUdraw 110, 135, 160 (optional Orion stock/rail required)


Orion Extremes used Gen-4 cams on 2015 and 2016. The Gen-5 cams were not used before 2017. They came on the 2017 Deathstalker 380, and on the Aculeus 450. There were also 2017 Orion Extremes that would have had the Gen-5 cams. They would also have black limbs like the 2016. Gen-4 and Gen-5 cams look almost identical to some. There are structual differences if you look closely at pics below. The Gen-5 has a bit more material in the spokes and cam lobe web.

- Gen 4:
2015-16 Ventilator Extreme 110, 135, 160, 175
2015-16 Orion Extreme 110, 135,160, 175
2015 Orion Extreme ACUdraw (first run only) 110, 135, 160
2015-16 VTEC 110, 135, 160, 175

- Gen 5:
2017 Deathstalker "380", 100, 115, 130
2017 Orion Extreme 110, 135, 160, 175 (Both ACUdraw and non-ACUdraw)
2017 Aculeus "450" 110 , 135, 160, 175 (both ACUdraw and non-ACUdraw)

I tried to send a message, it appears I am not allowed
One of the eBay listings had a picture of the back side of the limb that said: ORION 150# READ OWNERS MANUAL BEFORE USING
The other, listed as Scorpyd Orion Extreme, had 150lb listed as draw weight in the "Item Specifics" section of the description. If had a camo stock and black limbs. I have no idea if they came this way or had stock or limbs swapped?

Yes, the Orion Extreme came with camo stocks and black limbs, starting in 2016 through 2017. The 2015 models still had camo limbs with the camo stocks. There was never a catalogued Orion Extreme 150. There was a 160 from 2015 through 2017. Both as ACUdraw and non-ACUdraw models.

If you want to send a private message, click on my Avatar or name, a pop up will appear, click message in the lower right corner, then a start conversation screen will appear.

 

I don't know why you aren't allowed to start a conversation with Vent, but there have been sets of limbs for sale, even on these forums. So it is not impossible for someone to change original configuration. My vent 175 extreme came from Jerry aka service center, limbs are 175 and cams are gen 7. So authorized service anomalies do exist.

 

Yes, there are anomalies as stated in Post #3.

"There may also be some anomalies out there from warranty work where newer cams were substituted after that model was no longer in production. Also at the beginning or the end of some model year production runs.

At one time, you could send in your RDT 80, 100, 125, and have it upgraded to the newer cams like a Telson. so, some of those will have Gen 2 or Gen 3 cams on them. I remember a few of them doing that on this forum."

 

So much good info, thanks Ventilator.

 

Your the man! Gen 3's get my vote as the best by far! Gotta figure gen7's don't have any letoff either.

 

Yup gen3's are my favorite as well !!!!
i have the 4s 5s and 6s ,and they r just not for me .
guess that is why i have 3 set's of the 3s ,in my drawer ,lol.

 

Great info here!

 

Thanks for the info!

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