Good luck! BTW, I had the cable fraying problem with my 125 also. Sent it back and Jim put a new string and cables on it. After that it BLEW UP in my face! I'm suprised I didn't get hurt! So it's not just the 165. My 165 I had wore out two sets of cables in no time at the slide.

 

Hi Guys, the first post to this thread looks genuine but if I were Jim I would not answer it after seeing the second post. JMO as I do not think the second post makes it look like no one is looking for an answer. I realize that this is probably circumstance but it looks more like a flame post now. Giannid, please don't take this the wrong way and I realize that your are peeved (and I sympathize) but I think you might be denying Redm2 any answers.

 

Definately not a flame. Just sharring my opinion with my fellow bowhunters. If you look at the posts with my problems, Jim actually posted and said he would get back to me and us when he looked over the 165 I sent him back. He said he would contact me that weekend. I was actually considering taking the bow back after he figured out what the problem was. Well he never contacted me or posted again. And that was like a month ago. I'm just an average guy who could afford one of these high end bows who had a bad experience. That's all.

 

Giannid, obviously I know your problem was real, but the horse is already dead...

I am not looking to "bash," I am just looking for answers. You're ruining this thread fast. I am asking you a favor: Could you please go back and change your posts so they just say "edit" or contain a question that has not been asked already(just state it in the positive...). Thanks.

 

Excellent questions! Hope Scorpyd will reply, even if they do not have all of the answers yet!
mgeez

 

Edit my thead? What are we censored here like it was in Nazi Germany? I think if you want an answer from Jim, you should call him. I think his business line is his cell phone. He almost always answers, trust me, I've talked to him many times when I had my scorpyd. I doubt he will answer you as I was an actual customer who actually paid for one of his bows, and he never got back to me from what he found wrong. If you want me to be quiet about the problems I had, it's not going to happen. And this is a public forum.

 

Jim does not frequent the forum as often as I would like to see him here. I don't think calling him out is the way to get your answers. As mentioned above, you should just give him a call.

 

Giannid, obviously I know your problem was real, but the horse is already dead...

I am not looking to "bash," I am just looking for answers. You're ruining this thread fast. I am asking you a favor: Could you please go back and change your posts so they just say "edit" or contain a question that has not been asked already(just state it in the positive...). Thanks.

Like I said, your start looks genuine and I meant it. Too bad that character of this thread is going lower class. I'll pulling the parachute and bailing from this thread, I'm not going to post on it because nothing good is going to happen here.
Sorry to see this happen to you!
don

 

I agree, you should call him. I'm not flaming him and I don't think he's a bad guy. After I returned the bow and the steam cooled off we had a positive conversation. I will say I was upset. He is probably crazy busy with the trade shows right now, as I believe there is one in PA that just ended.

 

I don't have a horse in this race but! Scorpyd is a very small company trying to become established. It doesn't do anyone good to post things that will hurt both company & buyers. Now we all knowed that quality control can sometimes be an issue. I don't think Jim does in house machining of the cams. I also knowed ppl pay hard earned money fer his product. I think he will get to this problem very soon. I don't think this problem was happening early in the 125 & 100 production models. Thar be a diff in knowing yer selling a poorly made product that has issues & another when yer parts maker hasn't been doing good quality control so yer product suffers.

 

If I were Jim or any other small business owner who take pride in his work. This is what I would do.
1) First, I would acknowledge that Super91 had definitely identify a problem that need to be addressed. It is great that the problem is pin pointed.
2) Then l would take a closer look at what I have on the inventory of the cams and see if the problem is wide spread. It is not a question if Super91's issue is real or not. the picture says it all
3) Find out which supplier/process did not do its job and cause all these for it would be stupid of me to have let them cause me issues.
4) Look for an absolute solution and make things right as every buyer need a perfect bow as it would be the only way to business, unless I have no intention to be in business in the near future. Which is not the case.

Like Apple computer with the Antenna Gate situation, one must first know what is the real deal first and PIN POINT what the cause and remedy first before coming to the public. It took Apple computer close to 3 week to come out and show what it is all about. Super91's post is less than a few days old!

Jim sold quite a few bows, if all of them have issues, then it will not be just a few post here, right? His phone will be ringing off the hook. Which I am quite sure it is not. Any problem big and small will be look into, I am quite sure as I know how Jim design his products.

Until he checked out what the real magnitude of the issue is, it would be unwise for him to say anything.

Last, I read the posts above. For anyone who had already change bows and ready to move to another brand, what is the real reason he is really taking about his pass experience. Foe anyone who think Jim is not involved for him to get another brand from Wyvern is un-wise. Wyvern will not sell anything that he do not believe in. In my humble opinion Jim has a find product, just now the part issue need to be address. Even Toyota have recalls, not once, but 3 times in less than 6 months.

Action without clear objective and absolute confirmation is childish, and Jim is a very smart designer. Until the day he own all the tooling and the machine shop. Tight QC is all he can do now and he sure is doing it. Like Super91 had said, even visual inspection and cotton swap test did not identify any indication of any issue. It can only be identify after 12 shot with his bow!

Enough said, I know JIm will come out of this with no issue. His customer that deal with him, know that it is the only way it will end. Like everything in Archery business, it takes time.

 

Giannid-

Spare me the Nazi Germany nonsense. This thread wasn't started for anyone to bash or get on their soap box about a product. It has nothing to do with censorship This is the second thread in as many days that your posts dragged down. The other was on AT. I just want an answer to my questions and other's thoughts on where they think the problem may be. Again, stop using every thread as YOUR podium. I appreciate your views regarding scorpyd and I completely agree with you but there is a time and place to vent...lets not make it this thread. Thanks.

 

Redm2, take my opinion any way you want. But I owned 2 and have had a bad experience with both that I think all should know about. If you don't like my posts, please do not read them. And with the issues I had, no one ever came to me and said what the problem was. I also read on the forum about more problems that are developing. So I have every right to voice my opinion. I have also been sent PM's from members that were thinking of purchasing a scorpyd and decided to hold off to see what the resolution was. I'm not the only one that have had problems, there are many. And the new Telson model also has had some problems from another post on here. The cable wear/slide issue is not gone. And my 165 was the one Jim took to the ATA show and showed to the whole archery world. All's he did was put new strings and cables on it and sent it to me. I requested one that already had some shots through it as I figured if there were any problems with the bow, they would of came out already. That's why I believed the cables were to be defective. I hope the problem does get resolved. I think it is a fine bow that just needs the bugs worked out. But I don't think it's the consumers job to do that for the manufacturer. And I don't think anyone should be doing there own machining of defective parts and purchasing new cables after 15 shots with there own buck. I also own and operate my own business and I know all about keeping the customer happy and I understand that some customers will not be happy no matter what you do for them. I'm not one of them and am very reasonable. I've sent 3 bows back to scorpyd and paid the shipping myself. I also spent hours shooting them to get them dialed in only to figure out there was something major wrong. But all this is just my opinion and there are people here who will buy the bow no matter what I or anyone else says.
Firenock, the reason why I still speak of my problems is I think people should know about them before making a decision to buy a product. I do use your nocks on some of my arrows and I believe they are the best lighted nock out there, I've tried a few. And if yours were junk, I'd let people know even after they were in the trash.

 

Redm2, take my opinion any way you want. But I owned 2 and have had a bad experience with both that I think all should know about. If you don't like my posts, please do not read them. And with the issues I had, no one ever came to me and said what the problem was. I also read on the forum about more problems that are developing. So I have every right to voice my opinion. I have also been sent PM's from members that were thinking of purchasing a scorpyd and decided to hold off to see what the resolution was. I'm not the only one that have had problems, there are many. And the new Telson model also has had some problems from another post on here. The cable wear/slide issue is not gone. And my 165 was the one Jim took to the ATA show and showed to the whole archery world. All's he did was put new strings and cables on it and sent it to me. I requested one that already had some shots through it as I figured if there were any problems with the bow, they would of came out already. That's why I believed the cables were to be defective. I hope the problem does get resolved. I think it is a fine bow that just needs the bugs worked out. But I don't think it's the consumers job to do that for the manufacturer. And I don't think anyone should be doing there own machining of defective parts and purchasing new cables after 15 shots with there own buck. I also own and operate my own business and I know all about keeping the customer happy and I understand that some customers will not be happy no matter what you do for them. I'm not one of them and am very reasonable. I've sent 3 bows back to scorpyd and paid the shipping myself. I also spent hours shooting them to get them dialed in only to figure out there was something major wrong. But all this is just my opinion and there are people here who will buy the bow no matter what I or anyone else says.
Firenock, the reason why I still speak of my problems is I think people should know about them before making a decision to buy a product. I do use your nocks on some of my arrows and I believe they are the best lighted nock out there, I've tried a few. And if yours were junk, I'd let people know even after they were in the trash.

We know of your problems and that's exactly why I referenced your issue in my initial post. No need to rehash. I don't think you have to worry about anyone investigating the Scorpyd lineup to not stumble upon your experience...it seems like a large majority of any new thread getting started about Scorpyd has your issue in it. This thread isn't about your issue.

Most on this site understand and agree with your frustration. At some point though it's going to go beyond you sharing your experience and becoming you just... well...you know.

 

Are you guys kidding me. Jim Kempf is a great small business man and he provides a great product for the money.

If you think there is a problem CALL HIM RIGHT NOW and leave a message if you have to.

Whining and complaining on a message board is what you AFTER you talk to him and don't get a satisfactory response.

Everyone wants everything for nothing and Kemp gives more than most all but still have to read this second hand.
Sad, just sad. post me sometime if this isn't enough.

 

Redme2,
As I hvae told everyone I talk to, the Telson 130 is the best overall bow we build. Bob had an issue with the edge on his cams where the cable exits the cable track. He called and told me about the problem, and suggested a sollution that I jumped on. I addressed it in his thread. But if anyone has a problem with it, or anything else on my crossbows, I will fix it. I have already addressed the cam with the supplier in Indiana.

I aslo addressed the slide in another thread.

 

Redm2
I had to go for a minute.

As for getting Viper X strings and cables, absolutely! If that is what you want, I will order them. Just let me know.

 

Dorge from Firenock and I are working on an arrow for the 400+ fps bows. It is undergoing testing right now and so far so good. It has extreme durability and accuracy is very good. That being said, as I tell of the 165 buyers, you get what you pay for. If you just want to kill critters at normal hunting range, 20 - 50 yards, the LaserII will work just fine and not break the bank. If you want to fully utilize the bows speed and accuracy capabilities, you have to pay for Aramid KV's or something similar.

Dorge and I will keep folks updated on the arrows,

 

Dorge from Firenock and I are working on an arrow for the 400+ fps bows. It is undergoing testing right now and so far so good. It has extreme durability and accuracy is very good. That being said, as I tell of the 165 buyers, you get what you pay for. If you just want to kill critters at normal hunting range, 20 - 50 yards, the LaserII will work just fine and not break the bank. If you want to fully utilize the bows speed and accuracy capabilities, you have to pay for Aramid KV's or something similar.

Dorge and I will keep folks updated on the arrows,

Thanks Jim for all the post on the issues at hand. It seems from what you have said the problems are being addressed and taken care of. Like others have said all companys will and do have problems from time to time. Its just good to see that you will stand behind your product and want use scorpyd lovers to have the best and most reliable crossbow out there and we do have that. I couldnt imagine going a season without a scorpyd and truly believe its the very best product on the market. Like i said Thanks again for keeping us informed with the issues and we can feel relieved that the problems have been taken care of. Like I have said I have never had any problems with my Scorpyd. I am sure their is several hundred Scorpyd crossbows out there and only a few have had problems so its a small problem. keep us posted in the furture and thanks again for your great crossbow and coming up with this great technology.

 

I just want to add 1 cent worth. Auto manu design & build & test for years but final product faults only are found after customers use & test the product. Jim is in the same boat.
If you buy a scorpyd, your a (customer). If your satisfied with the product, you are (family). If you are proud of the product, you are part of the (team)& team members help solve problems so other (customers) can & will be (family).
Thanks to Super 91 & Raleigh Archer & others, we see a ((TEAM)). We see alot of "family" that hopes to see other "customers" be satisfied & become Scorpyd ((FAMILY)). Jim & Scorpyd need "techs" to help solve customers unfortunate found faults in their Xbows. Team players help Jim to satisfy customers.
This forum is full of Jim's customers. The passion we see is caused by Customer/Family/Team concept.
IT WILL GET BETTER!!!

 

I just want to add 1 cent worth. Auto manu design & build & test for years but final product faults only are found after customers use & test the product. Jim is in the same boat.
If you buy a scorpyd, your a (customer). If your satisfied with the product, you are (family). If you are proud of the product, you are part of the (team)& team members help solve problems so other (customers) can & will be (family).
Thanks to Super 91 & Raleigh Archer & others, we see a ((TEAM)). We see alot of "family" that hopes to see other "customers" be satisfied & become Scorpyd ((FAMILY)). Jim & Scorpyd need "techs" to help solve customers unfortunate found faults in their Xbows. Team players help Jim to satisfy customers.
This forum is full of Jim's customers. The passion we see is caused by Customer/Family/Team concept.
IT WILL GET BETTER!!!

I am about 95% of the way to join the "team." I want to shoot a few other bows first and then make my decision. The biggest factor for me is going to boil down to how well a company stands behind their product and how good that company's retailers are. In fact, one of Jim's dealers is located just a few miles from me in Port Huron, Mi. I absolutely refuse to go there because they shafted me over an arrow they incorrectly cut and setup for me. Bottom line, if I am going to drive an hour or an hour and a half, I want to be sure his retailers stand behind the product and won't give me the run around. I'd pay $100 extra for the bow if I know the dealer is going to be good to work with.

 

i had a few problems with my 165 from the start but in no way am i upset over it only because every time i called Jim he was there to take my call !!! and assured me that the problems that were showing up in a handful of xbows would be fixed just needed a little time to figure why a few had this problem,,,well folks i believe Jim has solved this problem and it is really an easy fix and an oversight that shouldnt have happened with the machining of the barrell where the cables go thru,,,the opening is about .010 closer to the cables than the blueprint so when fired the cable would hit the back of he opening causing the cable to hit it cut the cable ever so slightly with each shot,,, the cure would be to reverse the slider 180 and then rear cable would remain in the center of opening instead near the top and would also make sure where the cables crossed was on the other side,,normaly on left when looking down at barrell now would be on the right ,,,, now this probabley will throw out timing and would need to address that but need bow press,,, NOTE this is not the case on all xbows just a small amount !!!! but during machining if barrell wasnt placed excatly and/or debris in track b4 cutting opening would offset this hole at an est.of .010 per Jim's calculations,,,, still a fan of his handy work and the best customer support you could possibly get !!! if you want to bash Jim please use another form,,,thank you !!!

 

Thanks Jim, for coming on here and addressing the concerns of Redm2. I also am looking at crossbows and the Telson is at the top of my list. You seem like a stand up guy and good luck with your company in the future.

 

Hey Jim.

Havent called in a while as I know you have had your hands full.

Having a blast with the Scorpyd hybrid I've cooked up and now working on perfecting the impact accel. tech. which testing the other day seems to work as designed. I installed a mild version the other day and was good for an immediate 25% or better by penetration testing on old phonebooks.

Your 165 is the one to beat now fps wise. Still working in the basement with hammer and vice on a few other bows. HOpe all is fine and will call soon to say Hi. NIce to see other manufacturer forums also use your bows for comparisons, and you are getting a lot of praise. Keep up the great work.

BTW - Since I have adjustable string height feature on mine, I fire the Scorpyd no prob with the string sitting 1/16 to 1/8" off the rail. Would like to do a railess Scorpyd sometime just for fun as discussed in an earliar conversation. Dorge is great and willing to help out with my acute string angles as necc.

Having fun in Hamilton Ontario.

L.

Dorge from Firenock and I are working on an arrow for the 400+ fps bows. It is undergoing testing right now and so far so good. It has extreme durability and accuracy is very good. That being said, as I tell of the 165 buyers, you get what you pay for. If you just want to kill critters at normal hunting range, 20 - 50 yards, the LaserII will work just fine and not break the bank. If you want to fully utilize the bows speed and accuracy capabilities, you have to pay for Aramid KV's or something similar.

Dorge and I will keep folks updated on the arrows,

 

Just give him a call you may just get something done.

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